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Wednesday, September 17, 2014
Um...What?
Can someone please explain to me why England is begging to hang on to Scotland? Isn't Scotland the Detroit of the British Empire? Any illumination you all can give me would be greatly appreciated. I'm lost.
Well, I'm sure no expert but since Scotland represents a quarter of the United Kingdom, I know England would hate to lose them, it's a symbiotic relationship so both sides would be impacted. I don't think the US would like to lose her Territories either.
Being of Irish ancestry, I know a bit more about that situation. Judging by the most recent polls, roughly half of Scotland - like those @#$%^&* in Northern Ireland - wish to remain joined and loyal to Great Britain.
The British Establishment wants to hang on to Scotland because that's where it gets enough Labour votes to form majority governments.
And the British Media is Left/Labour - including the financial media BTW - and so there is substantial agitation to keep Scotland.
George Galloway is campaigning for the Better Together side. 'Nuff said.
Why Cameron is campaigning so actively I can't explain as well, except perhaps that he can't be seen as taking a "don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out" stance toward Scotland.
My impression though is that Cameron is a TINO and pro EU; if Scotland breaks away then the anti-EU vote in the 2017 referendum becomes more likely, and the UKIP will cause the Tories to fracture into pro and anti EU camps.
Lewy has the gist of it. The UK needs Scotland for the same reasons that you could imagine would happen if in the U.S. all of New England plus New York were voting to leave. Imagine the new balance of political forces in what would remain of the U.S. thereafter.
However, the referendum will not win. Despite their name, the SNP is not a nationalist party and is not campaigning at all on the basis of a home for the Scottish nation in control of its own destiny. It's entire argument is that we can run European Administrative Region Number 27 better than European Administrative Region Number 12 is currently being run. Besides the true believers--those who somehow see echos of William Wallace in such a lame pitch--the only people such a change would benefit are the leaders of the SNP and a potentially new Scots elite.
At the end of the day, I think most people---and especially women voters--will say: better the EU devil we know than uncertainty and, yes the English are useless c-u-next-tuesdays, but we're stuck with them, so, no, the risks aren't worth it.
I had tweeted GM & said I hoped he was going to write on the topic. I was a little surprised by his article, I saw it on Taki the other day.
He's definitely been banned by FNC, he used to be a frequent guest on Red Eye and would occasionally be on other shows. But it's been so long now that there's no doubt they dropped him over the brouhaha regarding his transvestite article. So much for free speech. I'm sure the average FNC viewer didn't have a clue about that article. Meh. Bad decision on the part of FNC. I hope it's just a time-out...
Well, I'm sure no expert but since Scotland represents a quarter of the United Kingdom, I know England would hate to lose them, it's a symbiotic relationship so both sides would be impacted. I don't think the US would like to lose her Territories either.
ReplyDeleteBeing of Irish ancestry, I know a bit more about that situation. Judging by the most recent polls, roughly half of Scotland - like those @#$%^&* in Northern Ireland - wish to remain joined and loyal to Great Britain.
I personally am siding with the "yes" votes.
I think there are many separatists watching this closely florrie, including more than a few in Texas.
DeleteThe British Establishment wants to hang on to Scotland because that's where it gets enough Labour votes to form majority governments.
ReplyDeleteAnd the British Media is Left/Labour - including the financial media BTW - and so there is substantial agitation to keep Scotland.
George Galloway is campaigning for the Better Together side. 'Nuff said.
Why Cameron is campaigning so actively I can't explain as well, except perhaps that he can't be seen as taking a "don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out" stance toward Scotland.
My impression though is that Cameron is a TINO and pro EU; if Scotland breaks away then the anti-EU vote in the 2017 referendum becomes more likely, and the UKIP will cause the Tories to fracture into pro and anti EU camps.
I'm sure Jourdan has an interesting take on this.
Yes, Cameron motives have me scratching my head too lewy.
DeleteLewy has the gist of it. The UK needs Scotland for the same reasons that you could imagine would happen if in the U.S. all of New England plus New York were voting to leave. Imagine the new balance of political forces in what would remain of the U.S. thereafter.
ReplyDeleteHowever, the referendum will not win. Despite their name, the SNP is not a nationalist party and is not campaigning at all on the basis of a home for the Scottish nation in control of its own destiny. It's entire argument is that we can run European Administrative Region Number 27 better than European Administrative Region Number 12 is currently being run. Besides the true believers--those who somehow see echos of William Wallace in such a lame pitch--the only people such a change would benefit are the leaders of the SNP and a potentially new Scots elite.
At the end of the day, I think most people---and especially women voters--will say: better the EU devil we know than uncertainty and, yes the English are useless c-u-next-tuesdays, but we're stuck with them, so, no, the risks aren't worth it.
It will certainly be interesting to watch the election numbers come in Jourdan. I think you're probably right.
DeleteAs a taxpayer, I would think that England would be wise to jettison Scotland. As an American, I'm like...independence! Hell yeah!
ReplyDeleteNoah thinks that England wants to hang on to Scotland for territorial reasons, and that the Scots should stick a thumb in their eye and vote "yes".
Pat Buchanan has an interesting take on things: What Would Braveheart Do?
Gavin McInnes' take on the situation: Scottish Independence Is Crap.
DeleteI had tweeted GM & said I hoped he was going to write on the topic. I was a little surprised by his article, I saw it on Taki the other day.
DeleteHe's definitely been banned by FNC, he used to be a frequent guest on Red Eye and would occasionally be on other shows. But it's been so long now that there's no doubt they dropped him over the brouhaha regarding his transvestite article. So much for free speech. I'm sure the average FNC viewer didn't have a clue about that article. Meh. Bad decision on the part of FNC. I hope it's just a time-out...
It looks like the vote failed. It was fairly close, they had a great turnout.
ReplyDeleteAH NAEZ!
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From Zero Hedge, here is a telling post-referendum poll.
DeleteLook at the numbers for the youngsters (16-17 year olds).
71% from the "I don't realize I would have to pay for my independence" crowd.
Deletelol, perfect description, Matt.
DeleteInteresting how it broke down, thanks for posting this, lady red.