Well if Christians and Jew flew airplane into buildings and stoned girls running from a burning building and killing women who had the unmitigated gaul to be raped and and and and and then maybe G*d would be allowed to be sung in school.
Fay, I hadn't heard about your first story. *facepalm*
It's sad when the only ones who stand tall for our Judeo/Christian value system are sports stars like Tim Tebow and Jeremy Lin.
Why do our clergy get their boxers in a wad over Catholicism and birth control, but ignore the constant battering and destruction of Judaism and Christianity as a whole? Especially in our schools? How long will they (and we) allow militant atheists, Marxists, and Islamists to educate/indoctrinate the most vulnerable among us? Bah.
lady red, the birth control thing is worse than you think. The Catholic Bishops are wadded up about THEIR forced providing of birth control/abortion coverage, but they apparently step back from the line that would allow ALL Catholic business owners to have the same exemptions they are seeking.
It is hypocrisy, and it tears me up to see my church participating in such a thing - particularly after they were so full-fledged behind Obamacare to begin with.
The "access to birth control" line makes me want to throw things. Anyone who uses it is contributing to the narrative as laid down by Obamacare. Just because a particular doctor doesn't provide birth control does NOT mean someone has no access to it. It's available a lot of places, and it is pretty reasonably priced. You can even have it delivered directly to your home. THAT is some awesome access! What "access to birth control" means is "access to birth control paid for by someone else." (monthy price for the generic prescription Quasense runs less than 50$ per month on Drugstore.com, and that's one of the more expensive types of pill, even as generic)
I have HUGE problems with the church's stance on birth control. But it is not the job of the Federal Government of the United States of America to try to regulate religious beliefs. In fact, I'm pretty sure that is specifically forbidden by the Constitution. And whether this particular issue would fall under the First Amendment is beside the point to me. I think it would, but the general consensus is that it wouldn't because, apparently, the 1st Amendment doesn't mean anything anymore. Ace had an excellent rant about the boiling of frogs in regulation here: http://ace.mu.nu/archives/326746.php
The President's side-step, by creating a regulation forcing a private industry to cover something FOR FREE seems just as ridiculous. What's next, forcing McDonald's to give away burgers? How is that any different? People need to eat, right?
I could go on and on, but Fay wasn't writing this about Obamacare. So I won't.
But the whole thing infuriates me.
How awesome is it that, among a group of people that include religious practitioners of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, and Nothing Organized I can feel free to comfortably say Jesus.
I really appreciate your views on the Catholic/birth control three-ring-circus, AFW. It's a bigger issue than just "religious freedom". I struggle with a good deal of ambivalence about this whole thing; on the one hand, I don't want to pay for raising millions of kids because their parents are slugs. On the other hand, I don't want to pay for "universal" birth control either (hey, if you're walking around with an Iphone, don't pick my pocket for your groceries or birth control, dammit).
JEM & Company have turned this into an issue about WHAT and HOW MUCH taxpayers will fork over, not about the fundamental issue of whether massive income redistribution should occur at all. Clever. And scary.
I agree with you about The Kitchen. Although we approach things from various viewpoints, we always respect and care about each other. I love listening to everyone's thoughts and opinions. It's almost like...we're civilized or something. :)
lady red - I think we're probably close to the same place on this one. The thing is, if someone can't be bothered to pay 9$ a month for a BC pill (that is the price quoted on Ace, which is probably as low as it gets), how can I expect that they will TAKE the damn thing daily?
With the discussions here - it amazes me sometimes. The birth control discussion itself is fraught with conversational minefields, add in religion and you have what is basically the speaking equivalent of a suicide bomber.
And yet even though we probably have multiple viewpoints on this, I feel totally comfortable coming and discussing my side of it and listening to what others have to say. Respect is a beautiful thing. :)
Well if Christians and Jew flew airplane into buildings and stoned girls running from a burning building and killing women who had the unmitigated gaul to be raped and and and and and then maybe G*d would be allowed to be sung in school.
ReplyDeleteFay, I hadn't heard about your first story. *facepalm*
ReplyDeleteIt's sad when the only ones who stand tall for our Judeo/Christian value system are sports stars like Tim Tebow and Jeremy Lin.
Why do our clergy get their boxers in a wad over Catholicism and birth control, but ignore the constant battering and destruction of Judaism and Christianity as a whole? Especially in our schools? How long will they (and we) allow militant atheists, Marxists, and Islamists to educate/indoctrinate the most vulnerable among us? Bah.
lady red, the birth control thing is worse than you think. The Catholic Bishops are wadded up about THEIR forced providing of birth control/abortion coverage, but they apparently step back from the line that would allow ALL Catholic business owners to have the same exemptions they are seeking.
ReplyDeleteIt is hypocrisy, and it tears me up to see my church participating in such a thing - particularly after they were so full-fledged behind Obamacare to begin with.
The "access to birth control" line makes me want to throw things. Anyone who uses it is contributing to the narrative as laid down by Obamacare. Just because a particular doctor doesn't provide birth control does NOT mean someone has no access to it. It's available a lot of places, and it is pretty reasonably priced. You can even have it delivered directly to your home. THAT is some awesome access! What "access to birth control" means is "access to birth control paid for by someone else." (monthy price for the generic prescription Quasense runs less than 50$ per month on Drugstore.com, and that's one of the more expensive types of pill, even as generic)
I have HUGE problems with the church's stance on birth control. But it is not the job of the Federal Government of the United States of America to try to regulate religious beliefs. In fact, I'm pretty sure that is specifically forbidden by the Constitution. And whether this particular issue would fall under the First Amendment is beside the point to me. I think it would, but the general consensus is that it wouldn't because, apparently, the 1st Amendment doesn't mean anything anymore. Ace had an excellent rant about the boiling of frogs in regulation here:
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/326746.php
The President's side-step, by creating a regulation forcing a private industry to cover something FOR FREE seems just as ridiculous. What's next, forcing McDonald's to give away burgers? How is that any different? People need to eat, right?
I could go on and on, but Fay wasn't writing this about Obamacare. So I won't.
But the whole thing infuriates me.
How awesome is it that, among a group of people that include religious practitioners of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, and Nothing Organized I can feel free to comfortably say Jesus.
That's a big deal, really. And it's very nice.
I really appreciate your views on the Catholic/birth control three-ring-circus, AFW. It's a bigger issue than just "religious freedom". I struggle with a good deal of ambivalence about this whole thing; on the one hand, I don't want to pay for raising millions of kids because their parents are slugs. On the other hand, I don't want to pay for "universal" birth control either (hey, if you're walking around with an Iphone, don't pick my pocket for your groceries or birth control, dammit).
ReplyDeleteJEM & Company have turned this into an issue about WHAT and HOW MUCH taxpayers will fork over, not about the fundamental issue of whether massive income redistribution should occur at all. Clever. And scary.
I agree with you about The Kitchen. Although we approach things from various viewpoints, we always respect and care about each other. I love listening to everyone's thoughts and opinions. It's almost like...we're civilized or something. :)
lady red - I think we're probably close to the same place on this one. The thing is, if someone can't be bothered to pay 9$ a month for a BC pill (that is the price quoted on Ace, which is probably as low as it gets), how can I expect that they will TAKE the damn thing daily?
ReplyDeleteWith the discussions here - it amazes me sometimes. The birth control discussion itself is fraught with conversational minefields, add in religion and you have what is basically the speaking equivalent of a suicide bomber.
And yet even though we probably have multiple viewpoints on this, I feel totally comfortable coming and discussing my side of it and listening to what others have to say. Respect is a beautiful thing. :)