Such a black and white example of something so simple. Enforce the law. Yet in my neck of the woods you're branded a racist in calling for such. It's a crazy world.
Our founders must be spinning in their graves. Bravo Tennessee. Are you listening, CA, TX, AZ? Heck, we here in the People's Republic of Washington could really benefit from enforcing our laws but sadly, we are quickly racing down the other road.
And Luther, at least your state is TRYING to do something about this mess - with the smothering weight of the feds on their backs.
Yes, florrie, we're trying but it is an uphill battle. Local rag had an article about Dupnik day before yesterday. Said he's glad what he did, would do it again. We're a divided country in many ways but I'm (this week :) ) seeing a glimmer at the end of the tunnel. Perhaps due to Cameron's public admittance that multiculturalism has failed. Now he didn't say it for the reasons I think he should have but fact is he did say it. Anyway, with that and a number of other events over the last few weeks it does seem as if common sense is starting to get through the filter of the press and out to the people that vote, and more importantly perhaps to the people that have to seek that vote.
Well hell, I don't know how I got to here from the topic. But there it is.
The reason I'm linking multi-cult with the topic is because I feel that the overall aura of multi-cult has prevented enforcement of the laws as written. As no matter the criminal and his deeds, he lives in a protected class inured to proper punishment, such as deportation.
Lady Red. I just read that there is two feet of snow in your part of the world. Is that you? Do you have snowshoes, huskies; can we send Sarah to help? Hope all is well.
I agree that there is a link between the two. Pride in one's heritage is one thing but we can see how non-assimilation has worked out in Europe and I sure don't want the US to end up like France or the Netherlands.
For sure, florrie. Assimilation is just that. But in the present climate it just isn't working, in my opinion.
And it's because of people desiring places, and local cultures they are comfortable in. I understand that, it's logical.
But, there are groups that don't care about 'fitting in'. Who want to chisel away at the bedrock of our country. Make us the same as the rest of the world. Which is mostly ****ed in my opinion.
My life's regret is that I won't see the world a hundred years from now... or a thousand, or a million. We're just a blip, you know, right now.
florrie@4:lady red, they know what's in store for them so they go to Arkansas instead.
Yep. As long as we "play ball" with companies like Pilgrim's Pride and Tyson, illegals will be protected here. We have entire towns that have a majority population of illegal workers, living openly and without fear of deportation.
Occasionally, the feds will make a grand show of rounding up fifty or sixty of them and busing them back to Mexico. Tyson meets them on the other end, and puts them BACK on a bus headed for Arkansas.
Luther@10: Lady Red. I just read that there is two feet of snow in your part of the world. Is that you?
Yep, that's me! I think this neck of the woods smashed any records for snowfall. We have a foot of crunchy white stuff on the ground, and the temp was hovering around zero when the sun came up.
Needless to say, the Ozarks are "closed" until further notice. I think we have about three snowplows for southern Missouri and northern Arkansas, and a couple of piles of sand. (Yeah, that's an exaggeration, but we're really not prepared for Wisconsin-like snowstorms!)
You want to hear something odd? Anyone here know that drunk driving by an illegal alien is not a de-portable offense? Almost any other "crime," except being illegal itself [??], is grounds for detention and escorted deportation.
'Nuther thing ... conservatives need to s-t-o-p citing the "founding fathers" et al, when decrying the illegal immigration issue. It makes them sound ignorant. Good grief, Abe Lincoln was long dead before citizenship was Constitutionally codified.
Back in the "founders'" day, all one had to do was get here, by any means, and subsequently participate in a community ... e.g., it was not originally illegal to just walk on in to the colonies.
Once we became a republic of united states, with certain guaranteed rights and protections (and taxes), then statutes were passed defining eligibility and immigration criteria, pertaining to entitlement to said benefits and protections ... the most significant being the 14th Amendment, in 1868, rather well past the "founding" of the nation.
Maybe we need to look at constructive participation in community (which requires a degree of assimilation by definition) issue more closely vis a vis immigrants, legal and illegal?
Maybe we need to look at constructive participation in community (which requires a degree of assimilation by definition) issue more closely vis a vis immigrants, legal and illegal?
That's an interesting concept aridog. I'm going to ponder it awhile before I respond.
'Nuther thing ... conservatives need to s-t-o-p citing the "founding fathers" et al, when decrying the illegal immigration issue. It makes them sound ignorant.
Well, pardon me. I wasn't talking about Abe Lincoln, I was talking about our constitution - written to keep the balance of power in check, to prevent the federal government from becoming too powerful. The powers of the govt need to be derived from our consent and we atray further from that every day. The federal government is SUING Arizona over their attempt to get their illegal immigration problem under control. The federal government is refusing to enforce the law inregards to illegal immigration.
Wasn't referring to any comment of yours ... it is all over the airways these days...how our founding fathers would feel about immigration. Truth is the subject of immigration legitimacy didn't come up for a few years after our founding and yes, the 14th Amendment does reflect the will of the people. Consent of the governed is what we both believe in ... and our "governed" have determined that there are rules and criteria for immigration now where there was none before. That is fine and as it should be ... a participatory democratic republic.
We owe our founders for setting up a consent of the governed system. My point is that implying the founders had a specific opinion on immigration is just not the case and makes for a easy snipe shot by the liberal opposition ... who prefer to govern without consent. "We the people" made the immigration provisions law, not the founding fathers.
What the founders would be spinning about would be our failure to enforce laws and thus the will of the people. I think that is what you mean ...right?
Ari, from your link. Personally I can't stand the man. But one thing going for Trump is that he hasn't been a profession politician his entire life. I'm really tired of those. Puzzling to me though is the rabid support for Ron Paul... no matter the 'straw polls' he stands a snowballs chance in hell of winning the Presidency, especially against Obama. Who the hell gets to vote in these 'straw polls' anyway? Though if I were polled I would have to vote 'present' as there is no one in the running that appeals to me at all. Like Gingrich for example, after what he did to his wife, does he really expect me and others like me to forget about that incident, his appalling behavior. These people's out-sized ego's are stunning for their audacity.
Yep, good days for 'lawyurs'. Though I do think that an interesting counter-attack by Governor Brewer. Should it proceed I think the 'discovery' phase could be very interesting. Considering that is all the news about Holder's Justice Department and the clear bias it has shown in support of various and sundry 'others' versus the laws as written.
Oh please, there is no way the Donald is running for any kind of office. He would be the first person to tell you he couldn't get elected as dog catcher.
What he knows is that publicity is good for business and free publicity is even better 'cos he doesn't have to pay for it.
What the founders would be spinning about would be our failure to enforce laws and thus the will of the people. I think that is what you mean ...right?
Yes, that's what I mean. I have a hard time putting my thoughts into words.
Luther ... I think it is the perfect counter-attack by Brewer and Arizona. I really do love the whole idea.
To me it is very simple. We're not talking about slavery or indentured servitude (that's reserved for Asians in New York and San Francisco). Nobody's actual "rights" are violated that I can tell.
Therefore if Arizona through its elected officials wants tighter border enforcement, good for them. Illegals have a choice, eh ... New Mexico, California , or Texas come to mind.
Same for US citizens and legal immigrants ... you not have to live in Arizona ... you don't even have to go there ... if you don't approve.
Fay said: "Oh please, there is no way the Donald is running for any kind of office ... What he knows is that publicity is good for business and free publicity is even better 'cos he doesn't have to pay for it."
I agree with you ...I think it is funny, hence the Trump-doggie. As for publicity, yep, he gets it for free...the way he likes it. He's good at using other people's money and sheltering keeping his own.
Such a black and white example of something so simple. Enforce the law. Yet in my neck of the woods you're branded a racist in calling for such. It's a crazy world.
ReplyDeleteSo now it's "contoversial" to deport?
ReplyDeleteOur founders must be spinning in their graves. Bravo Tennessee. Are you listening, CA, TX, AZ? Heck, we here in the People's Republic of Washington could really benefit from enforcing our laws but sadly, we are quickly racing down the other road.
And Luther, at least your state is TRYING to do something about this mess - with the smothering weight of the feds on their backs.
The program sounds like a brilliant success. I was impressed that less than 1% of the criminals come back to Nashville.
ReplyDeletelady red, they know what's in store for them so they go to Arkansas instead.
ReplyDelete(tee hee, just kidding!)
I was impressed with that statistic as well. Other states are so overcrowded, how simple is this solution?
I feel so frustrated at the lack of common sense in all levels of government.
Of course, I meant their jails are so overcrowded.
ReplyDeleteMust-have-more-coffee.
What really struck me about the situation was the actual numbers of illegals going into this jail system.
ReplyDeleteMy God, and the feds still will not even attempt to close up the border.
Yes, florrie, we're trying but it is an uphill battle. Local rag had an article about Dupnik day before yesterday. Said he's glad what he did, would do it again. We're a divided country in many ways but I'm (this week :) ) seeing a glimmer at the end of the tunnel. Perhaps due to Cameron's public admittance that multiculturalism has failed. Now he didn't say it for the reasons I think he should have but fact is he did say it. Anyway, with that and a number of other events over the last few weeks it does seem as if common sense is starting to get through the filter of the press and out to the people that vote, and more importantly perhaps to the people that have to seek that vote.
ReplyDeleteWell hell, I don't know how I got to here from the topic. But there it is.
Hadn't read this when I made my comment about multiculturalism. But apropos is this short article at NRO...
ReplyDeleteThe edifice of multiculturalism in the West is crumbling
As Insty would say 'Faster Please'.
The reason I'm linking multi-cult with the topic is because I feel that the overall aura of multi-cult has prevented enforcement of the laws as written. As no matter the criminal and his deeds, he lives in a protected class inured to proper punishment, such as deportation.
Well imagine that!
ReplyDeleteLady Red. I just read that there is two feet of snow in your part of the world. Is that you? Do you have snowshoes, huskies; can we send Sarah to help? Hope all is well.
ReplyDeleteHa... I'm slow, Matt. Imagine what?
ReplyDeleteI think Matt was just being ironic, Luther.
ReplyDeleteI agree that there is a link between the two. Pride in one's heritage is one thing but we can see how non-assimilation has worked out in Europe and I sure don't want the US to end up like France or the Netherlands.
For sure, florrie. Assimilation is just that. But in the present climate it just isn't working, in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteAnd it's because of people desiring places, and local cultures they are comfortable in. I understand that, it's logical.
But, there are groups that don't care about 'fitting in'. Who want to chisel away at the bedrock of our country. Make us the same as the rest of the world. Which is mostly ****ed in my opinion.
My life's regret is that I won't see the world a hundred years from now... or a thousand, or a million. We're just a blip, you know, right now.
florrie@4:lady red, they know what's in store for them so they go to Arkansas instead.
ReplyDeleteYep. As long as we "play ball" with companies like Pilgrim's Pride and Tyson, illegals will be protected here. We have entire towns that have a majority population of illegal workers, living openly and without fear of deportation.
Occasionally, the feds will make a grand show of rounding up fifty or sixty of them and busing them back to Mexico. Tyson meets them on the other end, and puts them BACK on a bus headed for Arkansas.
Luther@10: Lady Red. I just read that there is two feet of snow in your part of the world. Is that you?
ReplyDeleteYep, that's me! I think this neck of the woods smashed any records for snowfall. We have a foot of crunchy white stuff on the ground, and the temp was hovering around zero when the sun came up.
Needless to say, the Ozarks are "closed" until further notice. I think we have about three snowplows for southern Missouri and northern Arkansas, and a couple of piles of sand. (Yeah, that's an exaggeration, but we're really not prepared for Wisconsin-like snowstorms!)
My philosophy? If it's not ice, I'm happy. :)
You want to hear something odd? Anyone here know that drunk driving by an illegal alien is not a de-portable offense? Almost any other "crime," except being illegal itself [??], is grounds for detention and escorted deportation.
ReplyDelete'Nuther thing ... conservatives need to s-t-o-p citing the "founding fathers" et al, when decrying the illegal immigration issue. It makes them sound ignorant. Good grief, Abe Lincoln was long dead before citizenship was Constitutionally codified.
Back in the "founders'" day, all one had to do was get here, by any means, and subsequently participate in a community ... e.g., it was not originally illegal to just walk on in to the colonies.
Once we became a republic of united states, with certain guaranteed rights and protections (and taxes), then statutes were passed defining eligibility and immigration criteria, pertaining to entitlement to said benefits and protections ... the most significant being the 14th Amendment, in 1868, rather well past the "founding" of the nation.
Maybe we need to look at constructive participation in community (which requires a degree of assimilation by definition) issue more closely vis a vis immigrants, legal and illegal?
Maybe we need to look at constructive participation in community (which requires a degree of assimilation by definition) issue more closely vis a vis immigrants, legal and illegal?
ReplyDeleteThat's an interesting concept aridog. I'm going to ponder it awhile before I respond.
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ReplyDelete'Nuther thing ... conservatives need to s-t-o-p citing the "founding fathers" et al, when decrying the illegal immigration issue. It makes them sound ignorant.
ReplyDeleteWell, pardon me. I wasn't talking about Abe Lincoln, I was talking about our constitution - written to keep the balance of power in check, to prevent the federal government from becoming too powerful. The powers of the govt need to be derived from our consent and we atray further from that every day. The federal government is SUING Arizona over their attempt to get their illegal immigration problem under control. The federal government is refusing to enforce the law inregards to illegal immigration.
Now I'll take my ignorant ass and depart.
You're exactly right, florrie. We are being sued for attempting to enforce the laws as written. It is Federalism gone berserk.
ReplyDelete"My philosophy? If it's not ice, I'm happy."
ReplyDeleteThat's a good philosophy LR. But I do hope you aren't having to drive around a lot in all that snow.
Florie # 19 ...
ReplyDeleteWasn't referring to any comment of yours ... it is all over the airways these days...how our founding fathers would feel about immigration. Truth is the subject of immigration legitimacy didn't come up for a few years after our founding and yes, the 14th Amendment does reflect the will of the people. Consent of the governed is what we both believe in ... and our "governed" have determined that there are rules and criteria for immigration now where there was none before. That is fine and as it should be ... a participatory democratic republic.
We owe our founders for setting up a consent of the governed system. My point is that implying the founders had a specific opinion on immigration is just not the case and makes for a easy snipe shot by the liberal opposition ... who prefer to govern without consent. "We the people" made the immigration provisions law, not the founding fathers.
What the founders would be spinning about would be our failure to enforce laws and thus the will of the people. I think that is what you mean ...right?
OMG! Speaking of politics ... please save me from this possibility.
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Luther # 20 ... Looks like Arizona is suing back :))
ReplyDeleteI love it. Feds sue Arizona claiming Arizona is usurping the Feds' job ...so Arizona sues the Feds for non-performance. Tit meet Tat.
Makes me wish I wuz a lawyur.
Ari, from your link. Personally I can't stand the man. But one thing going for Trump is that he hasn't been a profession politician his entire life. I'm really tired of those. Puzzling to me though is the rabid support for Ron Paul... no matter the 'straw polls' he stands a snowballs chance in hell of winning the Presidency, especially against Obama. Who the hell gets to vote in these 'straw polls' anyway? Though if I were polled I would have to vote 'present' as there is no one in the running that appeals to me at all. Like Gingrich for example, after what he did to his wife, does he really expect me and others like me to forget about that incident, his appalling behavior. These people's out-sized ego's are stunning for their audacity.
ReplyDeleteYep, good days for 'lawyurs'. Though I do think that an interesting counter-attack by Governor Brewer. Should it proceed I think the 'discovery' phase could be very interesting. Considering that is all the news about Holder's Justice Department and the clear bias it has shown in support of various and sundry 'others' versus the laws as written.
#23 Aridog
ReplyDeleteOh please, there is no way the Donald is running for any kind of office. He would be the first person to tell you he couldn't get elected as dog catcher.
What he knows is that publicity is good for business and free publicity is even better 'cos he doesn't have to pay for it.
What the founders would be spinning about would be our failure to enforce laws and thus the will of the people. I think that is what you mean ...right?
ReplyDeleteYes, that's what I mean. I have a hard time putting my thoughts into words.
Luther ... I think it is the perfect counter-attack by Brewer and Arizona. I really do love the whole idea.
ReplyDeleteTo me it is very simple. We're not talking about slavery or indentured servitude (that's reserved for Asians in New York and San Francisco). Nobody's actual "rights" are violated that I can tell.
Therefore if Arizona through its elected officials wants tighter border enforcement, good for them. Illegals have a choice, eh ... New Mexico, California , or Texas come to mind.
Same for US citizens and legal immigrants ... you not have to live in Arizona ... you don't even have to go there ... if you don't approve.
Fay said: "Oh please, there is no way the Donald is running for any kind of office ... What he knows is that publicity is good for business and free publicity is even better 'cos he doesn't have to pay for it."
ReplyDeleteI agree with you ...I think it is funny, hence the Trump-doggie. As for publicity, yep, he gets it for free...the way he likes it. He's good at using other people's money and sheltering keeping his own.